Interesting Facts About Social Security Numbers

by golbguru on March 5, 2007

Yesterday, I was trying to read up something on the origin of social security numbers, and found a lot of interesting facts about them through various sources. I am compiling them below and hopefully it will provide some interesting reading material in this boring tax season. To my learned readers, some of the information might seemed cliched, but I am sure there are a lot of people out there who have never heard about most of these facts. Here is what I found out:

  • The original social security card was designed by Fred Happel of Albany, N.Y in 1936. He was paid $60 for his work.
  • The first social security record was established for John David Sweeney on December 1, 1936 with a social security number of 055-09-0001. However, this is not to be confused with the *first social security card* issued. No one can point out the first card issued because hundreds of thousands of them were distributed around the same time through 45,000 post offices throughout US. Ironically, Sweeney died at the age of 61 without receiving any social security benefits.
  • The lowest SSN was given to Grace D. Owen of Concord, New Hampshire in 1936 and it was 001-01-0001.
  • The first recipient of social security benefits was Ernest Ackerman who received a lump-sum payment 17 cents in 1937.
  • Social security numbers are not allocated serially; meaning, the first number ever issued was not the lowest and the latest number issued will not be the highest.
  • So what’s the meaning of the numbers on the card? Most people probably know this, but I will mention it nevertheless. Below is a schematic of a typical social security card.

    social security  number card

    The first three digits are called the area number, the next two digits are called the group number, and the last four digits are the serial numbers. The area numbers are assigned on the basis of the zip-code on your SSN application. The group numbers are just for bookkeeping purposes only, they don’t have any specific meaning. In each group number, the serial numbers are allocated consecutively from 0001 to 9999.

  • Area numbers increase from east/northeast coast to west coast. People living on the east/northeast coast have the lowest area numbers (for example, people who apply for SSN from New Hampshire have the lowest area numbers) whereas, people living on the west coast and southwest areas have the highest area numbers.
  • Apparently, there have been rumors in the past about the group numbers being used for racial profiling. Here is an interesting *clarification* on www.ssa.gov regarding group numbers:

    Apparently due to the fact that the middle digits of the SSN are referred to as the “group number,” some people have misconstrued this to mean that the “group number” refers to racial groupings. So a myth goes around from time-to-time that encoded in a person’s SSN is a key to their race. This simply is not true.

  • 078-05-1120 is the most misused social security number ever….some 40,000 people have claimed this SSN as their own. Here is the story behind it:

    Hilda Schrader WhitcherIn 1938, wallet manufacturer the E. H. Ferree company in Lockport, New York decided to promote its product by showing how a Social Security card would fit into its wallets. A sample card, used for display purposes, was inserted in each wallet. Company Vice President and Treasurer Douglas Patterson thought it would be a clever idea to use the actual SSN of his secretary, Mrs. Hilda Schrader Whitcher.The wallet was sold by Woolworth stores and other department stores all over the country. Even though the card was only half the size of a real card, was printed all in red, and had the word “specimen” written across the face, many purchasers of the wallet adopted the SSN as their own. In the peak year of 1943, 5,755 people were using Hilda’s number. SSA acted to eliminate the problem by voiding the number and publicizing that it was incorrect to use it. (Mrs. Whitcher was given a new number.) However, the number continued to be used for many years. In all, over 40,000 people reported this as their SSN. As late as 1977, 12 people were found to still be using the SSN “issued by Woolworth.”

  • From the start of the program in 1936 till 2005, an estimated $8.9 trillion have been paid out as social security benefits. In the same period, the program has received $10.7 trillion in income.
  • In the present times, invalid social security numbers include numbers with set of zeroes ( as in 000-xx-xxxx, xxx-00-xxxx, xxx-xx-0000), numbers starting with 666, numbers from 987-65-4320 through 987-65-4329 - which are marked for advertising, and numbers with the starting three digits above 770, which are not yet allocated.
  • Social security numbers are not reassigned after a people die. Here is what socialsecurity.gov says about it:

    We do not reassign a Social Security number (SSN) after the number holder’s death. Even though we have issued over 420 million SSNs so far, and we assign about 5 and one-half million new numbers a year, the current numbering system will provide us with enough new numbers for several generations into the future with no changes in the numbering system.

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1 Gaming the Credit System 03.05.07 at 4:08 pm

Interesting. I had hypothesized about the area thing, but never knew for sure.

2 Super Saver 03.05.07 at 5:42 pm

Golbguru,

Thanks for this infomative post. I had previously thought the area part was a “state” indication.

3 golbguru 03.05.07 at 8:45 pm

Guys, some of it was news to me too…kept discovering stuff while putting the post together.

Btw, Super Saver…it’s *almost* a state indication…I mean the numbers are geographically allocated…and generally it so happens that certain three digit numbers can be located to certain states. But, it should be kept in mind that these are allocated according to the address that goes on the SSN application form…so it’s not necessary that a certain person with such and such first three digits must belong to a particular state.

4 Mark 03.07.07 at 7:48 am

The most relevant fact: Ida Mae Fuller, who received check number 00000001, paid $22 in to the system over two years and received over $20,000 in benefits (she lived to 100). Modern recipients not get a deal like this, and future ones will get a successively worse deal.

5 Achim Happel 03.09.07 at 9:27 am

Dear golbguru,
I´m very sorry, but your picture above doesn´t show the SSC designer Fred Happel. It shows the former SSA Historian Sid Leibovitz. This photo was taken in 1985 during a donation to the SSA’s History Room in Baltimore of the original artwork done by Fred Happel.
Best from Germany,
Achim Happel (www.happel-genealogy.com)

6 golbguru 03.09.07 at 9:35 am

Achim Happel: Oops ! Sorry about that and thanks for pointing it out. I must have read the article in a haste. Indeed on the source photograph, this is the caption:

“Former Commissioner of SSA Martha McSteen (left) and former SSA Historian, Sid Leibovitz (center), receive a donation to the History Room of the original artwork done by Fred Happel, from his niece, Emily Bailey. 1985. SSA History Archives.”

It’s a pity that it took another Happel to realize that the guy is not Fred Happel. Now, I need to ask you this, would you happen you have a photograph of Fred Happel somewhere in the genealogy database?

7 financial hack 03.16.07 at 5:03 am

Interesting stuff. I still wonder if the government uses these numbers for more than social security. I’m not a big conspiracy theorist, but it would seem an easy way to keep track of people beyond their earnings…

8 Unindicted Co-conspirator 03.19.07 at 7:43 pm

I believe that area numbers starting with the 700’s are issued by the Railroad Retirement Board.

9 winterdude 03.20.07 at 4:07 pm

Wow. This is some intresting stuff, good post!

10 David Muntz 03.24.07 at 8:44 am

10.7 trillion in income
-$8.9 trillion have been paid out
———————————
1.7 trillion up in smoke

11 Geo 03.24.07 at 2:16 pm

1.7 trillion is not up in smoke, it’s is in a fund the politicians can’t keep their hands off. Might be close to the same thing!

12 Thomas Harlan 04.04.07 at 1:25 pm

The upper limit on the 7xx- prefix numbers is now at least 786-, rather than 770-.

13 guestblin 04.09.07 at 11:04 am

hello!
good article…

14 Ben Seubert 04.11.07 at 7:56 am

How many duplicates do the last four digits have in the system/

15 asbestosbuster 05.19.07 at 6:34 pm

Curious about the “area” number. Of 2 people in my family, both from same state and from adjacent towns, one first 3 is 032, the other first 3 is 013

16 F. Howles 07.03.07 at 4:21 pm

Here’s one to research. What’s the red numbers on the back of a social security card for?

17 Captian Jack Sparrow 08.08.07 at 11:26 am

Does anyone know what those red numbers on the back are for. I am very curious as well. Any information would be great, I have searched the net for information and can not seem to find anything. Not to mention the social security office does not have an answer for me either.

Any help would be nice.

Thanks

18 freedomfighter 08.12.07 at 4:13 am

about that serial or whatever on the back…im researching it but from what I’ve gathered that is a bank routing number linking you as property of some royalty british bank. so basically anyone with a SSN is actually property of some european prick. great, not only do i figure out the whole central bank federal reserve irs scam, now i find out my friends family belongings and life are owned by bush’s puppet masters. americans are slaves. jolly.

http://www.wearechange.org

19 Captian Jack Sparrow 08.12.07 at 2:32 pm

Thank you for the information in regards to what the red numbers on the back of the card are for. I have heard something in regards to the numbers and what they represent. Can you elaborate any more on what the “central bank federal reserve IRS scam is”? I am curious to know more about this.

Thanks

20 freedomfighter2 08.13.07 at 2:30 pm

******* comment edited ************

Also if you haven’t heard of the Ed and Elaine Brown situation, the next waco that nobody is talking about, well…

http://www.showedthelaw.com

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=336272166668295331 (Ed & Elaine Brown Interview by wearechange)

to sum it up, the dollar became an MLM scam the moment the federal reserve was instituted by internationalist globalist elite foreign(european) bankers and

now the wealth is being extracted from within by devaluing the dollar, removing precious metal backing, and selling the american people soon to be worthless

paper. JFK actually reinstituted printing dollars by the constitutional right given to congress(in secret) which read “united states note” at the top, not

“federal reserve note”. soon there after we all know what happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww (Cramer: Bernanke, Wake Up)

thanks for your interest,

http://www.wearechange.org

21 golbguru 08.13.07 at 3:16 pm

freedomfighter2: Do you have a reference for this statement: “but from what I’ve gathered that is a bank routing number linking you as property of some royalty british bank.” ? As far as I am concerned that’s total BS.

Also, what has Ron Paul’s mention got to do with all this? Come up with good explanation or I will be deleting that part of the comment.

22 freedomfighter2 08.13.07 at 4:47 pm

I’m actually looking for documentation but all I remember is hearing about it in some google video…not the most reassuring evidence, but for now until im disproven I suggest leaving it as an option…when i come across the video ill post it.

and ron paul is the bomb dude. don’t be a neo-con, help save america! :-)

23 freedomfighter2 08.13.07 at 4:59 pm

also ron paul is trying to abolish the central banking system (ie the fed) which has its roots with regard to the same elite bankers which dominate our economy through corporatism (fascism).

also everyone, in the ron paul clip change the weird looking character that looks like an x into a REAL “x” in order to view the clip…something weird with this blog.

thx for not deleting my comments, ur a real american ;-)

24 golbguru 08.13.07 at 5:58 pm

freedomfighter: Thanks for the information. Obviously, your second comment was just a political agenda - which was absolutely irrelevant to the topic being discussed and hence the video and his mention has to go.

It’s not a question of censorship. It’s just a message that the comment space on this blog is not for somebody’s political agenda. When the topic is right, such comments will be welcome otherwise they will be deleted.

25 freedomfighter2 08.14.07 at 9:59 am

its not really solely my political agenda because Ron Paul would be getting rid of the same people who own us through these banks out of political power, which relates to the number on the back of the social security card, assuming i am correct with my thesis of foreign ownership. So it less about political agenda, more about saving the freedom of Americans(what little remains after Bush), even though Ron Paul surely does ROCK and yes I am trying hard to spread the word :-) Regardless I will be checking back to see if anyone has more info on that serial number on the back…I only wish I was wrong as I look at the back of my own card and ponder how free I really am…WAKE UP AMERICA! Help fight the New World Order. (non-political statement)

26 T3rro1st #1 12.01.07 at 8:05 pm

i live in new zealand im 19 and even i can see americans are heading for a fall, look at u far out ur all obese, all love bush and ur economy takes each breath from war, the 911 thing was a total scam, the world knows america attacked america its so craply put together im sure u all have thoughts about, now ur banks taking u from behind lol face it your goners, but nevertheless keep slugging away fueling the dream…….

27 Richard Welch 01.07.08 at 5:51 pm

What would the SSA Fund be worth today if the Gov. would not have put the money in the general fund but lift it in the SSA fund drawing interest like it was desined to do.
Please send me an interesting reply.
Richard

28 Puzzled 04.04.08 at 7:27 pm

I’m still trying to find out more about the numbers on the back of Social Security cards. My friend’s card has red numbers. Mine are of another color and I don’t know why. Any suggestions on where I might find more information on this topic? Thanks.

29 Puzzled 04.05.08 at 7:50 am

By the way, about that thing that you think is BS, with your SSN being tied to some royal british bank is in fact completely true. Your SSN is tied to Social Security Administration which is tied directly to the Federal Reserve System, which is privately owned by stock-holding banks, one of which is Barclay’s, a Royal Britich Bank, as well as several American banks, which are also British owned and controlled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

Now they didn’t tell you about this when you signed up, but they OWN you. You entered into a contract unintentionally, unknowingly, and involuntarily giving up your rights as a free individual to be registered as a U.S. Citizen. By registering with the SSA you have become part of the corporation that is the United States of America. It is by this authority under section 6330, ss 1 of the Internal Revenue Code that the IRS has authority to levy taxes from you. The U.S. Constitution (at least the parts that apply to individuals) no longer applies to you.

Please, look up the laws and the Social Security Act yourself. We all have a lot to learn.

30 FedWorker 05.03.08 at 9:34 am

The numbers on the back are inventory control. Each paper blank now has a number and must be accounted for.

31 Beaver 05.28.08 at 2:51 pm

Puzzled is correct. All her facts are straight (sorry if you’re a guy), and are public information. Technically, we’re all incorporated with the UNITED STATES. That’s why your name appears in capital letters whenever you get a bill, or do something in the courtroom. The Social Security Act was created after we went to paper money. FDR made owning gold illegal back in 1933, and after closing all banks for nearly a week, confiscated all gold that wasn’t coin-collections. This was at a time that the price of gold was very low, so the US citizen who was forced to turn in their gold was basically ripped-off.

The Social Security Act basically sets up a trust-fund with a lot of strings attached. As long as you play by the rules, and pay your dues, you can try to get your money back from us. It’s more like a tontine scam if you ask me. It doesn’t take into account the factor of inflation, which has been on a steady rise since the baby-boomers have started to reach retirement age. How much of a percentage did the population increase after WWII? I’d bet gold money that after all is said and done, by the time the last boomer retires, that percentage will have gone up in inflation. Heck, Bush just gave everyone with a SS# at least $600. Do you know how many dollars that’s going to add into circulation? That’s the one thing I remember about economics; supply and demand. If there’s a huge supply of cash in circulation, the demand goes down. In other words, Inflation makes the price of a loaf of bread double once a month until we have to carry $20 bills to the store in buckets for food.

Or maybe not that bad. The American public is dumb and complacent; give that kiwi with a snotty attitude his credit. The Fed will probably just come out with a thousand dollar bill, and the American Social Security Beneficiary will watch an American Idol sponsored by the US Treasury touting the new Thousand Dollar Bill!

Anyway, rant-rant. I heard an urban legend that the red numbers on the back of the social security card are your EIN, employer ID number. If you’re just a regular John Doe citizen, you’re an employee of the US Corporation, and are in fact yourself a corporation. That’s why you use the number on the front, your employee ID number (SSN). Supposedly, if you have a replacement card issued to you, the number on the back will come in red ink, and you can use it to declare that you’re a soveriegn American and not a citizen OF the United States. Basically the red ink is supposed to symbolize flesh and blood human being. Consequently, corporate entities use black ink, and banks (which operate under the maritime admiralty law of the high seas) use blue to symbolize water. You could use the FedWorker’s explaination of the serial number on the blanks as actually taking ownership of the card. If you use the SSN on the front, that card, per the Social Security Act itself, is the property of the US govt. They can come along and confiscate it at any time, without any reason. Same is true for your SS benefits.

If you use the number on the back, the “tracking number for blank cards” printed in red ink, you’re claiming ownership of the card and the chattel property it represents. You are the chattel property. If you don’t, they “own” you. You’re their chattel property, and you’re being used as collateral on the bankruptcy the US Govt. filed to the international banking houses back in the 1930’s, the time of the great depression.

Now it’s just basic physics that if someone loses money, someone has got to gain money. So during the Great Depression, who gained all that money?

I’ll give you a hint; there were a lot of bank forclosures in the 1930’s.

So now there’s a bunch of banks that came out the winner because they owned most of the real-estate on both sides of the Mississippi, and here comes a “state of national emergency” when FDR closes the banks and confiscates all the gold in the US, one of 2 metals ordained by the Constitution that can be used as money. They only make gold legal to own again in 1963, after they start to take out all the silver from our coins.

So there it is, the tip of the iceberg. I hear a lot of great ideas in this blog. People are starting to wake up. The proof’s in the Ron Paul pudding. He knows a lot about this stuff. He’s a smart guy, even smart enough to keep running despite inevitable defeat. Who else could make mostly COLLEGE KIDS get started studying ECONOMICS and vote REPUBLICAN!?!?!?

I think his ideas are great, and one idea he’s got is to get rid of the SSA and their collection arm, the IRS. Keep in mind that these goons at the IRS are collecting for our foriegn banking overlords, who do indeed own us. Mostly British, but also Dutch.

Anyway, if you want a conspiracy story, follow the money-trail from Phonecia, to Venice, to Amsterdam. Find out how pirates made monarchs from the sea, and why you can have your own casino 3 miles off-shore.

The more you know…

32 Free One 05.29.08 at 4:47 pm

As long as the Government has been slipping somthing under our noses for the last 100 years, you may as well call that control number written in red and other colors an EIN.

33 Tiffany M. 06.25.08 at 12:28 pm

I was once told that I could legally request a different social security number because mine contains 666 consecutively. Is this true?

34 ChelC 10.01.08 at 7:30 am

I came upon this when someone referred me here:

http://activequote.fidelity.com/mmnet/SymLookup.phtml?QUOTE_TYPE=&scCode=M&searchBy=F&searchFor=76E52351078&submit=Search

They told me to enter the year of my birth, followed by the red number. Select Mutual Fund and Fund number. You will find out what yours is if you have one. So, if I was born in 76, I would enter 76xxxxxxxx.

He also said there is a red number on some birth certificates that will link to the same mutual fund number. Try it and see.

35 Ira M.McDonald 10.07.08 at 6:14 am

How can everyone is America with a social security number have a different last four? There are only 0001-9999 number!

36 Captian Jack Sparrow 10.07.08 at 8:43 am

I see that there have been many responses in regards to the red number. Several things to consider, the “ChelC” post just put in your year of birth and the same fund will show up. There is still no evidence that it is real although many of the things talked about can in fact be linked, we have yet to find any proof on the bond associated with that number and your life.

Regards

37 FreedomFighter 12.13.08 at 9:53 am

Interesting that “FedWorker”’s remark is the only anti-conspiratorial comment so far. Regardless, he could really be a Federal Reserve or governmental employee, and this is the information he was given. The point about the ink color is very strong, and denotes of a legal world most of us are unaware exists. The number on the back is not even really needed to prove corporate ownership over your sovereignty, this is well documented in these institutions’ own paper work, as can be proven thanks to the informative links provided.

As for the number on the back, has anyone reading this got a replacement card and could verify with perhaps a copy of the old ss card if the numbers have changed? I am not dismissing FedWorker’s explanation, it could very well be true along possibly with a dual-use scenerio. The mere reality is that the USA government is anything but for the people; and I challenge the readers to do a simple test to prove this. Call up the Federal Reserve ask who are the shareholders. Call up the IRS and ask them to show you the unconstitutional law(that doesn’t exist) that says you are required to pay an unapportioned tax on your labor to the federal government. Call the SSA and ask them what are the numbers on the back of the SSN card. Call the FBI and ask them why Usama Bin Laden is not wanted for 911(fbi.gov). Post your answers here.

I just love the fact that gas prices jump 100% then drop back down as if it were bubble gum, in this wonderful fake social architect designed economy. I love that inflation is a hidden tax, and I’ll be telling my grandkids that hotdogs used to cost only $6 at a ball game, not the 3000 ameros it will at that point in time. How about the bail out, wonderful:

[Bloomberg - Fed Refuses to Disclose Recipients of $2 Trillion ]
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=apx7XNLnZZlc

Many of you reading this are most likely fully awake and so everything I have mentioned is well known kindergarden material - but if it is not then you have much to learn for otherwise you will be trapped in economic slavery for the rest of your life pursuing a paper(digital) note that was created as debt out of air and services only the elite bankers who lend Trillions of these fiat currency notes for interest(none the less) to the masses and more specifically directly through their banking buddies - INTERNATIONAL USURY PYRAMID SCAM.

If you can’t see fascism looking you in the face, you’re in trouble. Welcome to History Repeating Itself 101.

38 David Lindsey 01.29.09 at 11:34 am

I’ve been doing some research myself, and it all begs the question , if in fact the US filed bankruptcy, and they took all the gold , how has this growth, and expanion been collateralized, if not by the pleadging of the future tax dollars of the American Taxpayer. I have yet to find all the info I am looking for BUT I AM NOT STUPID. Yes theyn are stealing the money,all of it. Now let me share with you what the SS office here in KC just told me on the phone. Q: what is the number on the back of my card , A: “the paper used is a special paper and this is its number” Does that mean that every card is from some other special paper thats not the same as mine as each card has its own rear number. We’ve been the victum of the worlds biggest con. 15.8 BILLION WAS THE BOUNAS PAID TO THE FED PEOPLE IN 2008.

39 TheInformed1 01.29.09 at 12:32 pm

In regards to using Fidelity to look up these things. you should be able to take the CUSIP and lookup a bond based on that. if you are at Fidelity and click the “quote or lookup a bond here” option, you will quickly find that Fidelity has now removed that. My guess is the cover-up continues. The page used to let you take that CUSIP and lookup who was holding the bond.

I used to think this stuff wasn’t possible, but with everything going on… I think the slumber is over…

40 Fed Up 02.02.09 at 7:39 pm

To answer FreedomFighter 12.13.08 at 9:53 am: Yes I got a replacement card about a year ago and then found my original one from about 1967.
The original one has my Social Security Number in Red and my name in Black (All Caps) on the front. No numbers on the back. My replacement one has my SS# and name (All Caps) in black on the front but also has a number on the back in Red. The number is not the same as the SS# on the front, but has some similarities. The first three characters is E96 rather than the normal three digits, which designates the state of issue, the two center digits are the same as the SS # and the last four digits are scrambled such as in this example: SS# 7081 and number on back is 7180. I called Social Security headquarters asking about this. The representative had the following four answers: 1) “No idea, hold on. ” 2) ” Hold on, I have never heard of that.” 3)”I am still checking, I have never had this question before.” And finally 4) “It refers to when the card was issued. It is a reference number, having nothing to do with your SS #.”

41 RON 02.10.09 at 4:20 pm

The # on the back of your ssn card is “Priority Exemption Acc. #”
The letter represents the Federal Reserve Bank that hold the bond the 8 digits is the acc. #

42 sisterdough 03.13.09 at 3:51 pm

My husband and I both applied for lost cards at the same time and our red numbers are the same except for the last two numbers and they are sequential. Fed Up must have just had coincidental numbers. Ours have nothing in common with our SS#’s.

43 Freedom Fighter 03.13.09 at 4:13 pm

Sen. Sanders questions Fed Chairman Bernanke, March 3, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi0YS5j9P2Y
I just love how calm Bernanke is, knowing he owns(literally) Sanders.

LAUGHING ALL THE WAY FROM THE BANK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpkxq_VgW3s
Educate yourself with some real FKNNEWZ

44 chandra 03.15.09 at 9:05 pm

Is there a way to research the federal reserve bank that corresponds with the letter???

45 CthrutheBS 03.17.09 at 6:20 pm

I have also heard that the number on the back of the social security card is an account number. I have even heard of people using that account number to pay for things. Where can we find out more info on this?

46 a good samaritan 03.19.09 at 2:41 pm

There’s ten bonds associated with one SSN at the Fed.

The number on the back of the card is only one of ten numbers which identifies the bond it’s associated with. The bond, which is held by the Fed, has an account associated with it. This is the account talked about called “Private Exemption”. The only way to take control of these bonds/accounts is through the Depository Trust Company. But, you can use the account without interfacing with them. They wouldn’t have put the number there if they didn’t want people to use it. There’s people using right now.

To learn more, click on my Name on this post and search for “Pastor Tony King”.

For supplemental information:
http://www.creditorsincommerce.com/js-monday-nights.php

Folks, don’t be stupid enough to get into this stuff unless you’re willing to pick up your cross and follow the martyrs. That means research research research research research research research research research research research research until your eyes are bleeding and fall out.

There’s no one piece of paper that’s going to solve all your commercial problems.

For those of you who are desperate: Stop. Suck it up and go to jail or whatever it takes for you to get out of the situation as *peacefully* as possible. Then, when you have the time, you will be able to think straight to correct your situation and better yourself for the future so that stuff like that doesn’t happen to you again. Don’t go do something stupid because you think that you know a little, you can do a lot. Probably not.

I’m not a lawyer, so the above is not legal advice.

47 Patriotduty 04.10.09 at 7:52 am

In reference to Freedom Fighter’s comment on researching the SS card. I have taken my card from 1982 when I changed my ss card to reflect my new married name - To my card I received with my newest married name in 2005.
1982 # is black , 2005 # is red - both numbers are different both alpha and numeric. I also noticed the red stamp on the front of the card is different. 1982 says SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION (circled around the design) w/ eagle above USA and USA above 7 vertical stripes. The 2005 seal has a contemporary eagle design w/ eagle pointing left. The words around the eagle design say USA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
I also ran my birth year with the red number according to
http://activequote.fidelity.com/mmnet/SymLookup.phtml?
It comes up as a Mutual Fund Fidelity Select Health Care symbol FSPHX . I can’t pretend to know what it all means, if anyone has any reliable information - I would like to receive it.

48 Patriotduty 04.10.09 at 8:15 am

Sorry - got the seals backwards 1982 says Dept. of Health and Human Resources and the 2005 says Social Security Admin.

49 Lilylaker 05.12.09 at 9:03 am

Also was wondering about the red ink on back, and SSA woman said she had no idea what I was talking about, very snotty about it. And added that she had been working there for 10 years and would know about it if there really were such a letter and number combination on the back of my card. !!! Obviously she doesn’t know about it so I told her to look when she got home at her card.

Patriot duty-mine is red also from marriage.

50 Strobel 05.12.09 at 2:56 pm

Looking for more information on the red numbers on the back of the SS card. A guy I met told me he pays his monthly bills using that number. It is supposedly a bank routing number attached to the British bank some people here have mentioned. Does anyone have any more specifics on this?

51 TIN & STRAWMAN 05.23.09 at 9:32 pm

LOOK VERY CLOSELY at the signature line of your social securrity card its not a line!!! use a magnifying glass and tell me what does yours say?

52 Freedom Fighter 05.24.09 at 12:41 pm

Good eyes Strawman…I did some research online and came across a very interesting document.

http://www.abiworld.org/committees/newsletters/techtelcomm/vol6num2/Identity_Theft.pdf

page 10:

“2. Micro-Printing. The signature line of a legitimate card contains engraved micro-printing above the word signature. The micro-printing reads “SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION” in all capitals.”

I used my high dpi scanner and did infact confirm this is what is written repeatedly as the signature line…no secret there, though I would have expected a 666 or somthing. The pdf also states:

“7. Sequential Control Number. On the rear of a legitimate card there is a sequential control number. The control number is a combination of alpha and numeric that bears no relation to the actual. social security number on the card. However, the computer records of the Social Security Administration should show a correlation between the control number and the social security number and name on the card.”

Yet none the less I still await for someone to shed some light on the real legal implications of this massive banker fraud. My number is black. What is the difference between black and red? What steps can the average Joe take to utilize this secretive system in his favor? How far down the toilet is this country and our constitution? Is there not a real lawyer in the house?

30 Little Known Facts about the USA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwWcp9eiPw&feature=player_embedded

Keep up the good fight guys, let’s figure this out together.

53 Patriot Duty 05.29.09 at 6:52 am

I have issued letters under FOIA to several agencies to include SSA, Treasury (Public Debt) and Fed Res. and Commerce Dept. concerning SS#, bonds, EIN, TIN, Birth Cert., mutual funds and any other combination I could think of. The Truth is out there!! But where? (Proverbs 25:2)

Unfortunately Freedom Fighter, lawyers have been raised by “the system” and trained to manipulate information, laws, cases, regulations and the like to suit their purpose.

In our study of God’s Word, this behaviour is known as witchcraft. That’s probably a little hard to understand from a natural standpoint for most, but those that study original greek and hebrew translation of the KJV are probably aware. I am referring to those who don’t know anything about God’s Word. My point being, lawyers in most cases twist things (ex. comes from wica (sp) to twist, wicked (twisted, perverse) some know the truth. I have an article where a lawyer actually told the truth about a sovereign man. Things are changing, rapidly.

See article below:

A good friend of mine by the name of Bill, is being sued for divorce by his wife of 17 years in one of California’s family law courts. He is pro persona and his wife is represented by a liar …aaaawh um …lawyer. My friend challenged the corporate family court’s jurisdiction on the bases that he is a sovereign man and therefore not subject to laws (statutes and codes) of his creation, – government.

Lo and behold, out of the mouth of a serpent spews forth the truth! All I can say is …it must be God’s doing.

In written answer to Bill’s challenge to jurisdiction the attorney representing Bill’s wife stated; “The Respondent“ (my friend Bill) renounced his naturally acquired and naturally endowed personal sovereignty,” when he applied for and executed a marriage license under the laws of the State of California so as to obtain the status of “marriage.”

WOW! The Esquire stated to my friend Bill on court record that which I have never known to be admitted to by a single member of the LIARS GUILD, a.k.a. the American Bar Association, or by members of the corporate courts who serve and also collects for the BAR, that is controlled and operated by the banksters. A good number of people have known for some time what the lawyer stated is true. However, no one to my knowledge has been able to prove that we are deemed by the state and the courts to be stripped of their God given sovereignty though implied contracts and other nexuses, such as obtaining a Social Security Number, Driver’s License, Birth Certificate, and Marriage License, etc.

I have often wondered how long it would take before one of the rats finally spilled the beans. Now I know. You can believe me when I say, this is information that members of the LIARS GUILD and their government accomplices are sworn to hold in absolute secrecy and also threatened with all sorts of bad things should they dare tell. And here this gutter rat comes right out and says it’s so. Soon this little rat will have no safe place in which to run and hide. Poor little gutter rat. “Bad boy! Bad boy! What will you do when they come for you!?!”

How many people would say that they knew when they signed a marriage license that they were signing away their God given sovereignty? This to me is like saying, when you sign this license – you volunteer to be castrated. Show me one man that would knowingly volunteer to sign such an agreement. Loss of sovereignty equates to spiritual castration, as it takes away our God given rights and freedoms and makes us slaves to our own creation of government.

The lawyer’s claim that Bill lost his personal sovereignty when, “he applied for and executed a marriage license” should provide some very interesting drama when Bill challenges the lawyer to prove his claim in open court. My friend Bill and I plan to have a great many spectators and a local newspaper editor, who has taken a great interest in this lawyer’s claim, in attendance when it comes time for this minion of the Prince of Darkness (lawyer) to come to court to prove that which is strictly forbidden to be made public knowledge. I am afraid that the lawyer dude is on his own on this one. It is very unlikely that he will receive any of the customary help from the bench to sanction what is forbidden knowledge.

54 Patriot Duty 05.29.09 at 7:56 am

Look at the signature line on your personal check under a magnifier.

It will most likely read something like “authorized signature”

55 TIN & STRAWMAN 06.01.09 at 5:23 am

this is in regards to the ss number whenever you input a sequence of numbers into a computer where dashes are involved if you place the dashes in a different location or remove some or all, the computer will not recognize the numbers as being the same account e.g your social security number : 123-45-6789 , 12-3456789, 123456789. On January 10, 1776 a man by the name of Thomas Paine wrote: Common Sense>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krp2kX8BdO8

http://www.myspace.com/veritas2012

http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy.htm

“All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing”
WAKE UP AMERICA

56 James Voltair 06.13.09 at 11:58 pm

You’re all bat shit crazy. I hope none of you have conceived a child unto which you’re able to pass along your nutty conspiracy theories.

Live conservatively, pay your debt and stop propelling urban legends about a mystical set of numbers that grants you access to money that’s not yours.

57 TIN & STRAWMAN 06.25.09 at 1:03 am

A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn’t the
world being round that agitated people but that the world wasn’t flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has
been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its
speaker a raving lunatic.

We serve no one by withholding information. We do not serve ourselves by refusing to investigate.
Lack of information never assisted anyone. Accurate information allows us options; we can choose to take
action based upon it or choose to ignore it, but not knowing does not assist us. So put aside your
preconceived notions, your psychological defence mechanisms, and your prejudices. Take a chance on
remembering what could well grant you complete economic, emotional, and spiritual freedom.
Google & learn:
Winston Shrout Solutions in Commerce, Mary Elizabeth Croft Spiritual Economics, Robert Mernard, Jordan Maxwell on world of occult commerce, Tim Turner, Patrick Devine from yahoo 1099oid group, Al Wagner CPA , Zeitghiest Addendum, I.O.U.S.A , Re Educating the Sheeple, Fed101, executive order 6102, SEDM

Farewell & G.O.D Bless you all
~Veritas~

58 veedgo 07.13.09 at 6:35 pm

I was wondering how many people have an SSC that has no numbers on the back. I have my original one issued to me when I turned 14 in 1978. I have no numbers on the back. I only have the SSN on the front and my name which are typed in standard black ink. Is this unusual, typical…wrong…? =_)

59 Rev. Dr. Annie Mantz 09.16.09 at 5:34 pm

I feel that God is exposing the truth to many people He wants us all debt free so it is time to take back (transference of wealth ) what the enemy took from us.
Please google Jordan Maxwell, check out beatleha and friends regarding your birth certificate.
We are worth billions, we just have to claim it. I heard to take our birth certificate to any stock brokerage, ask them to bring up the number that is on the upper right side, then ask them how much that stock is worth, we are all on the New York Stock Exchange.
Let get what is rightfully ours !
Rev. Dr. Annie Mantz

60 Brian Keith 10.01.09 at 11:09 am

The rabbit hole is very deep my friends. I have been involved with this type of research for over 20 years and there are many things the average brain dead US CITIZEN does not know, and that is just where the banksters and corporate entities want you. There are bail bonds, jailing bonds, trust bonds, chattel bonds, admiralty bonds and hundreds of dirivitives which trade on the Chicago Board of Trade. You are worth appoximately 4.5 million dollars per year in trade credit. The stolen funds are usually contained in corporate CAFR reports which all government agencies and corporations must file. These are the off sheet balance records. If you do not believe it then go down to your local city hall and ask for theirs. As for the SSN and the number on the back, I have seen people get bills paid through the treasury using the back card number, and this is a trust identification number, which has a birth certificate attached to it through vital records for the state you are in, then they are traded on the CBT, which is owned by the Vatican….along with all your property and your own bodies thanks to HJR192. Interesting that a few lines before the vote on this bill it was stated that if passed it would encumber all assets of US Citzens……which they want you to believe you are a member, which you are not, you are an asset. You do not own your home, car, bank account, money or even the SSN# or card, just read it! Go check out some links for Gene Keating who speaks very thoroughly on this topic. You can not learn all about what is going on in a lifetime, and that is the purpose of the multitudes of “laws” which are not laws at all, they are coporate agency guidelines but that goes against what was taught in the public fool system. Better wake up folks, you have to get out of all the contracts by cancelling them and notice to all involved which even for the best paralegal who has assisted on this will take months. Taking up regaining status as a sovereign is a little more difficult when most of the people who take the notice were also trained by the fool system. You can take the red pill of the blue pill……

61 No One 10.18.09 at 12:49 pm

well to answer your questions about the red numbers on the back of your cards when i was working for the government i learned that during the great depression the government started investing in the world market in our names and using our ssn #’s so that if that ever happened again they could pay out the unemployed. The numbers are you account numbers and the treasury has your routing #’s you can get money from this when you would like, which i cant tell because i signed a contact with the government and i would lose everything if i did but in closing all americans can take back their over account and use it to be debt free but of course the government will not tell you this with out you asking and will play the stock market until you take back control of your straw man

62 angry110 10.18.09 at 5:42 pm

Someone offered to do the bill pay but I didn’t believe him about the numbers. However, I started to do a little research myself. I’ve come upon a few things that I heard of years ago. Like 20yrs to be exact. I SHALL start researching much harder because I love information and have a thirst for knowledge. I am goin to check for the pastor Tony King

63 Roberto 10.19.09 at 9:57 am

The back of the card is the PRIVATE Routing & Account # associated with your SS#.

You can access that account from a bank but you need permission. How? PRIVATELY Certify (bankers acceptance) your birth certificate and issue a bond for a deposit with the U.S. Treasury.

The letter refers to a Federal Reserve Bank Distric Routing #
There are 12 Districts.
0 + the 8 digits is the account number.

Good Luck trying to get permission… :)

PS: Account contains no money!

64 drew 10.27.09 at 11:00 am

Hi,
From what i have gathered about the red #’s on the back of the ss# card, is that if you look at american money you will notice it has a identification number with 8 digits, which is the same as the 8 digits on the back of your ss# card. so yes everyones card is associated to money. I first heard of this from a youtube video where project camelot interviewed Jordan Maxwell. Very interesting man, he mentions america is a druidic system. the druids made wands out of the holly plant thus hollywood is directing our lives in a matter of speaking.
here’s the link which talks about social security numbers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvjROPfv0X4

then project camelot did a follow up interview with jordan maxwell
http://www.youtube.com/user/jagbodhi?blend=1&ob=4#p/a/u/1/5jJKue2Ff6o

65 eddie 11.01.09 at 9:29 pm

Tony King is a fake. I’ve checked on him and he lives right here in cuyahoga county. In a little suburb called Lynhurst. I live in cleveland also so it wasn’t too hard. Most of these people who go around talking the talk of damn the social security, government do be a slave stuff usually works for the enemy. I’m not easily tricked by spewers of slick talk. What has happened to people in the past who spoke against the corny government. Don’t trust him. People talk about these secret bank accounts that you can access with the number off the back of the social security cards. Tell anyone of them to simply PROVE IT by accessing it in FRONT OF YOU.

66 Chris from Dallas 12.10.09 at 9:57 am

I can’t find much “official” about the numbers on the back of the card. I see a lot of speculation in these comments and a lot of people who seem to “know” what they are talking about, but no proof or documentation. Just like climate-gate - give us some proof, some way to verify what you are telling us about some mysterious account or using the number to pay your bills or whatever other theory you ascribe to. Don’t just say you saw it here or heard it there - SHOW US. Maybe what you say is true, but how can we really know, regardless of how many decades you claim to have researched this? Point us to your findings so we can see for ourselves. And please skip the long, overly verbose comments - cut to the chase and just give us the facts as you know them! I’d really like to figure out the truth of this matter and not just rely on others’ opinions. Thanks!

No One - you are anonymous here, so tell us what you know. How do we take back what is ours?

Brian Keith - if you have seen these numbers used to pay someone’s bills, give us instructions on how to do it!

67 Michael O'Donnell 01.28.10 at 10:50 am
68 ladyjet 01.30.10 at 7:07 pm

Anyone notice that first letter on the reserve of ones social security card only go from A to L. I find this rather interesting as there are 12 Federal Reserve regional banks that are also designated as sectors A to L.

69 ladyjet 01.30.10 at 7:08 pm

Oops! I meant to say reverse of ones social security card!

70 Dude_Lebowski 02.09.10 at 5:37 pm

What’s the point? I can sit here 20 years and research this and while doing so the “crooks” can change their format or tilt the scales in their favor either way. Yet I realize there is always loop holes. If you live with a clean heart and mind and realize there’s “a fountain not made by the hands of man” stressing out about this info. leads you where? I do want to know the truth and be debt free but I already messed up with credit cards but it pisses me off when I hear or read people are being charged fees illegally or money and credit has no backing but was created out of thin air and most people are slaves to that. Will someone please speak more about your status as a “sovereign”? I mean, how do you relate and work with the “slave” system since it’s infiltrated into everything we do? I want to know more but as I previously stated it seems like a stressed out roller-coaster ride that brings you back to the beginning? People talk about how income tax and other taxes are fraud but does it seem so unfair to pay your part in the roads you drive on, the bridge you cross, the cost to make this happen, etc. I do believe we’re over-taxed and there’s definitely many things that seem unfair and full of thievery. Sorry, just a little frustrated here because I enjoy spending my time focusing on positive things, playing sports, enjoying life, attracting and manifesting great things, networking and meeting people but learning about this and going deeper into the rabbit hole seems like a wise thing to do yet ultimately a confusing thing, something that can burn you. I’m sure there’s tons of dis-information that comes in this territory. Is there a site, book, manual, etc. that most of the “free” people agree on, like the Redemption Manual or somethring along those lines? Be well my friends! Keep on keeping on!

71 Ladyjet 02.09.10 at 8:34 pm

Dude Lebowski,
Let me just get you thinking. Very important regarding your comment on paying “ones fair share” through taxes etc. First, the money the the IRS (collection agency for the Federal Reserve) collects from taxpayers DOES NOT go to paving roads etc etc. Ones income taxes goes to pay the interest ONLY on the “national debt”. So many people believe that it is unpatriotic by trying not to pay income taxes YET the reverse is actually the truth. Another interesting tidbit, they (the Feds aka International Bankers) love that you are enjoying sports as THEY make sure alot of money is pumped into sports so that people are diverted from looking into the truth regarding THEM! Televison is another of THEIR favorites. If they keep us busy watching TV we don’t have time to discover what is really going on. THEY own the sports industry and all media channels.

72 Dude_Lebowski 02.09.10 at 10:18 pm

LadyJet, thanks for your response and I appreciate your knowledge to this matter. Sorry if this is a dumb question because I never really cared or thought about it and just used the luxuries for my pleasure in this world growing up just thinking that stuff like the roads and what not just get done somehow, but where does the funding come from for these universal things like roads, bridges, payment to the people who maintain them, etc.? Is it just funded by the state, gov’t or some other agency/corp? I understand what you’re saying about the sports but they’re also a blessing and joy to have in this world, but I agree that the commercial interest, funding, greed, deceptions, manipulations, advertising, politics, cut-throat mentality and breeding of kids into such things is out of control, however enjoying them for their competitive nature, exercise and fun is beyond words for me, my expression of playing soccer is a form of art and release, I was close to going pro and played semi pro but I didn’t have the cut throat mentality and was disgusted with the politics and bullshit. Again to go along with my first post, sometimes ignorance is bliss and if you believe you reap what you sow then these evil doers will have a price to pay, whether one learns the truth or not, I believe if you live your life free of these distractions, with an open mind and heart and focus on God, friends, family and being the best you can that you’ll still have rewarding life.

73 Ladyjet 02.10.10 at 6:18 am

Dude_Lebowski,

I hope I haven’t appeared rude, my apologies if I have! There are many things here on earth that I enjoy as well (like a good movie and the LOST series LOL!!!) Moderation is the key and yes GOD, family and others in that order.
In response to where the money comes from to support roads etc. I believe that would be state and local taxes. It is our Federal taxes that are paying the INTEREST ONLY on the money the Federal Reserve (which btw is not any more federal than Federal Express, but a private group of men, research Rothschild.) Interesting that the IRS was founding right after the Federal Reserve hence I refer to the IRS as the collection agency for the Federal Reserve. That number on the REVERSE of your social security card is linked to the Fed. Look on the reverse of your social and your children’s card. Take notice that your number starts with the letters A through L only. Now look at the paper money in your pocket. The serial numbers all start with the letters A through L ONLY. These letters designate particular sectors (regional federal reserve banks) of the FED. No coincidence! Go to Youtube and start researching the Rothschilds and the Federal Reserve. Let’s be as wise as a serpent but as gentle as a lamb! Share all that you learn with others!

74 Neorobo 02.15.10 at 3:07 pm

This Blog has some momentum about the CUSIP security number on the back of the SS card. Google the 12 regional Fed banks you will be able to find the routing number for each bank. A thru L designates which bank, 01 thru 12 and the related bank routing number. No one has brought up the Birth Record (Birth Certificate) Security instrument that gives this whole bankruptcy accounting game the commercial energy. The BC represents your living labor energy and as collateral, your vested interest resides in this/these securities. Order more than 1 BC from your birth state (vital statistics) and you will find them to be printed on cotton bond paper with sequential numbers. (I ordered 6). “In order for it to not be a treasonous act against the people when they took the substance, (Gold and Silver) Constitutional money out of the economy they had to provide a path to the remedy of settling a debt.” (How can you pay a debt with a debt note?) FRN (Federal Reserve Note) (Isn’t a note is a promise to pay at a later date?) Just like they bundle mortgages together to create securities they bundled your labor (chattel) into (BC) Securities and are trading them internationally via Fidelity funds. Remember it is you that is the Battery that powers the Bankrupt Corporate MATRIX, you are the asset in the commercial world of debt. You are the Sovereign, the One…Neo! Another thing to research in the ancient Latin Maxims of Law is “Disparata non debent jungi” (Dissimilar things ought not to be joined) Contract is only valid between Paper to Paper or Flesh to Flesh but NOT Paper to Flesh or Flesh to Paper. Why do you think they strapped you with the all caps “US Corporate Trust” STRAWMAN? Because a Paper corporation (USA) can not make contract with a Flesh wo/man. You are managing agent for the government’s Trust and when you title anything in that entity’s name, JOHN H DOE it becomes property of the USA fleet of bankrupt Admiralty vessel debtors. And if you believe this entity is you, then you are in prison in your own mind like Morpheus tells Neo in the first movie “THE MATRIX”. The social security system was turned over to the Queen of England… READ: Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as follows:

S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security ( United States of America)
Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st September 1997. At the Court at Buckingham Palace the 22nd day of July 1997. Now, therefore Her Majesty an pursuance of section 179 (1) (a) and (2) of the Social Security Administration Act of 1992 and all other powers enabling Her in that behalf, is pleased, by and with advise of Her privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered as follows:

“This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September 1997.”

Does this give a new meaning to Federal Judge William Wayne Justice stating in court that he takes his orders from England? This order goes on to redefine words in the Social Security Act and makes some changes in United States Law.

Remember, King George was the “Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire and c, and of the United States of America.” See: Treaty of Peace (1738) 8 U.S. Statutes at Large. Great Britain which is the agent for the Pope, is in charge of the USA ‘plantation.’

What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers
and King George were working hand-n-hand to bring the people of America to their knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See
Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)

Now, you also have to realize that King George was not just the King of England, he was also the King of France. Treaty of Peace * U.S. 8 Statutes at Large 80.

For even more shocking Record of Truth read this Charter from 1213 where King John1 gifts England and Ireland along with it’s subjects (forever!) to the Pope and Vatican, that is still binding and in power: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html

Now, I will tell you… if you haven’t done your research in the record (not your school books or dangerous here-say) the legal and lawful record (there are 2). Then you have no reason to say or write anything here…. This is not conspiracy theory it is conspiracy FACT! Go away, do your research and return to apologize for your ignorance. The Truth is in the Record…stop guessing your opinion and read it!

This whole Global Commercial system is based on bankruptcy and debt. There is no real Lawful substance money in the US economy, this is why you (Flesh Labor in the “Real World”) are the (CopperTop) Battery that powers their bankrupt corporation (”THE MATRIX”) Real Man/Real World…. STRAWMAN/THE MATRIX. Surely not Real Man/THE MATRIX or are you? “Who are You?” in commercial law it is a “Self Assessment, Voluntary Compliance System” are you gifting the corporate US your labor and assets via their Trust? Look at the Driver license, credit cards, checkbook, car titles, mortgages, other loans, monthly bills….. is that corporate Trust all caps entity you? Welcome to the Real World….. Enough for now… contact me if you want more…. Neorobo

75 Jaro 02.18.10 at 11:03 pm

Neoboro, your claim that “UNITED STATES is a corporation that existed before the Revolutionary war” is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE! First, there is a BIG difference between a body corporate and an actual corporation, and second, you’ve got to be really desperate to cite a lower court decission to back your claims.

Just because one judge says it’s so, doesn’t mean that it’s reality. In the 1 US 41 Respublica v. Cornelius Sweers decission, they’re even wrong about the king, lords, and commons being a body corporate. They ain’t, the king is a sovereign, and all others are his subjects. Body corporate is a group/association that can’t act on its own, without being represented by a live person.

King, lords, and commons, need no representation, therefore they’re not body corporate. Back in 1778, United States was in NO WAY a corporation, and the court’s claim that it was body corporate is flawed as well.

They claimed that although “United States were not a body corporate known in law at the time, from the moment of their association, the United States necessarily became a body corporate; for, there was no superior from whom that character could otherwise be derived.”

That’s nonsense, because a mere association and acting for a common purpose, of the American colonies, does NOT constitute a body corporate, with an absence of clear rules that define that association. If this case went to the Supremes, the USSC would undoubtedly pointed that out.

http://openjurist.org/1/us/41/respublica-v-cornelius-sweers

76 Loki 03.03.10 at 11:58 am

I am not going to get into a pissing contest of when On the continent of the Northern America’s , the existence of the United States as a Corporation, Person,,, etc..was created, I was not there when any body “signed” or gave away, or sold anything to anyone ( in Law and legal Matters, for me (and you) to say otherwise would still amount to hearsay “EVIDENCE” ), the best I/We can do now is to go on what is controlling or attempting to control ‘The People’, at this juncture in time and space

So here is how the ( U.S. Government / Federal Government ) Court’s view of what a :
(1) “Persons” is ( are the creation of a group of ‘People’, ‘People ‘ are the creation of Nature and if you believe created by God ) ;
(2) Property is (its everything and anything , including things that can not be “touched”/”felt”… look for the word, “intangible” , in ” USC 3002″ and what the definition of the United States means… )

TITLE 28—Judiciary And Judicial Procedure - Part Vi—Particular Proceedings Chapter- 176—Federal Debt Collection Procedure- Subchapter A—Definitions And General Provisions § 3002

Or
USC Title 28 § 3002

(10) “Person” includes a natural person (including an individual Indian), a corporation, a partnership, an unincorporated association, a trust, or an estate, or any other public or private entity, including a State or local government or an Indian tribe.

(12) “Property” includes any present or future interest, whether legal or equitable, in real, personal (including choses in action), or mixed property, tangible or intangible, vested or contingent, wherever located and however held (including community property and property held in trust (including spendthrift and pension trusts)), but excludes—

The Courts get to determine what is “PROPERTY” as intangible is something that cant not be held, felt, etceteras…

Intangible: adj : Latin in- + Late Latin tangibilis tangible : not tangible : can not be “felt” IMPALPABLE

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States. ( instrumentality: something that serves as an intermediary or agent through which one or more functions of a larger controlling entity are carried out : a part or branch esp. of a governing body)

SEE folks there are non-violent ways of change to occur, ( I Love this country, it has some huge flaws, but instead of crying about, how bad it is, just make and take your grievances , petition, and redress the government , through the Courts, just learn how to file Declaratory Judgments, and ask that there are certain Questions you would like answered for they are affecting your life,,, just show the court whatever , laws or codes, are in violation of your rights as oe of ‘the People’, explain that some “Acting Agent” representing any agency/entity is attempting that they demand that you perform/do,”something” and you do not want to “do you have to it”, when the entity telling you to do it is a “person” “BUT” you are one of the ‘People’
Just file/submit and request an opinion in the form of a Declaratory Judgment’ to any State or U.S. courts , be polite, show how it is relevant to your existence, freedom, rights ….etceteras…the Courts will give you their opinions on the matter…lol and if you don’t like their opinion, the beauty of this country, is you can always go to their boss.. ( their opinion and .50 cents still only gets you a cup-of-coffee.. hey i need some myself right now ,, i brb)
Okay i am back:::
if someone wants an example of what a Declaratory Judgment looks like, I will email it to you..
good luck, and god bless the U.S.A.
keep god always in our hearts and we shall overcome evil and tyranny ( “my” God enjoys seeing a good clean fight :)… otherwise , “My” GOD could have/would have/ should have just covered this Planet with water, sunshine and flowers, and stopped right there….lol he knew exactly what he was doing, because god could stop this at anytime ……. God is a funny one, I would love to party with that crazy cat someday….

77 Citizen 03.04.10 at 10:00 am

Fredomfighter is Right the letter stands for the routing number for the federal reserve bank in which your account is held, for instance my number starts with a D ,and if you look the federal reserve bank letters it is for cleveland federal reserve bank. the evidence is out there just look in fact go to federal reserve and the routing numbers are there. and all u have to do is find the corresponding bank for the letter.. simple internet search

78 Falcon 03.08.10 at 10:34 am

To my fellow truth seekers:
We have all found this blog by researching our SSN cards. I have been researching the “redemption” process and for about a year now. I have ordered copies of my birth cert. and additional SSN cards. I filled out a UCC 1 agreement (which I have seen any mention of on this page) but I have not sent anything out to the necessary parties. So far in my research I have heard many different theories on how to go about capturing your STRAWMAN, charging up your treasury account, and discharging your debt. The problem is, they are all theories!

Please beware my friends of people who want to charge you money for this information. I paid out a pretty penny so far and the information I received is conflicting. I have some friends that are working with a “Patriot” who has gladdly accepted many thousands of dollars from them as a fee to help them and so far all that has happened is they got there bank accounts closed for righting fraudelent checks. Nobody has been arrested though so that is interesting but I am following there progress closely. It is my opinion that if you truly care about your freedom and you have discovered a path to redemption why would you want to charge people to share in that freedom? Did Harriet Tubbman charge people to use the underground railroad? What would history think of her if she did?

My challenge to all of you is this: Research all that can and share everything you learn. We are all slaves in the same system and it is up to us to help each other out. Here is what I know so far, but like I said, I have not done this…. Yet.

Creat a Security Agreement between yourself and your STRAWMAN.

Create and file a UCC 1 agreement with the Secretary of State. This should be filed in the state you were born, where you currently live, and any state where you may have entered into a contract.

Create a Power of Attorney, Hold Harmless Agreement, and a Common Law Copyright Notice and have them notarized. (These agreements are between you and your STRAWMAN. The purpose is to put you in control of your STRAWMAN instead of the gov.) Record the Copyright Notice and POA with your local county recorder.

Find an example on the internet of an “Accepted for Value” stamp. After doing this you must stamp your original birth certificate, fill in the neccesary fields, and sign it with a blue pen.

Make color copies of all the above documents. Prepare a letter to the Secretary of Treasury (research Chargeback letter on internet for example) and send all documents with cover the the Secretary of Treasury. Send via fedex or other courier service that can give you a delivery confirmation. Do not send USPS.

This should make you a secured party creditor and you should be able to discharge your debts. I know I am not going into great detail about each step, there is simply to much cover here. There is a lot of information on the internet but there does not seem to be any one true system or path to redemption. Hopefully I have given some of you enough info to at least begin your own research. If anybody has had success with this process or something similar I would love to know about. Again I have not done this process yet myself, I want to make sure that what I am doing will not land me in jail. It doesn’t do you any good to try and free yourself from the tyranny of government and banks if it only puts you in a smaller cell!

Thanks for all your posts and good luck friends! Please contact me via this post if you have any info to share or would like to know more of what I have learned.

79 Falcon 03.08.10 at 10:39 am

Wow. Nothing like reading your own post without a proper edit first. I made a lot of gramatical errors! I do know the difference between “there” and “their” but thats what you get when you are in a hurry!

80 *** 03.16.10 at 10:35 pm

Does anyone know of anyone going to jail for using the red number on the back of the social security card to pay for a debt? I have been researching this for some time and want to try it to see if it works. Is this something someone can go to jail for?

81 KevinG 04.22.10 at 11:19 pm

Has there been any further verification, proof, validation for using the SSN # on the back, Birth Cert and UCC filings to eliminate debt? Still seeking the TRUTH !!!

82 Neorobo 04.23.10 at 2:52 am

Falcon, Law Maxim states; Disparata Non Debent Jungi (Latin) (dissimilar things ought not to be joined) Think….. A valid contract must include these 4 parts:
1) Agreement, offer and acceptance,
2) Mutuality and consideration,
3) Competent parties, and;
4) A legal objective.
A flesh wo/man (the one with a brain to reason and negotiate) and a Paper Trust Corporation (STRAWMAN) (contract) can not create a valid, binding, lawful contract. Flesh to Paper is not similar and Paper does not have a brain (Scarecrow (STRAWMAN) Wizard of OZ) to create a “Meeting of the minds agreement”. With that established, what makes you think you can make a UCC-1 claim on the STRAWMAN (not yours! It is a Government Trust) One does not capture the STRAWMAN… one desires to claim the assets held by said entity as you can prove you have a vested interest in said assets. You converted your labor energy to currency/credits and bought the assets, then “Gifted” (titled) them to the Government’s Trust. To do this correctly and not have it be fraud, one must use a Paper contract entity like a (Private Contract Trust) to make the UCC claim on the assets held by the STRAWMAN. Paper to Paper (similar for joinder), the rules and regs on how this is done are in the record. Redemption is “Flawed” in many ways… (it doesn’t work!) This (above) is the biggest Flaw! Read the record (not myths and opinion)~Neorobo

83 SearchingForEvidence 06.02.10 at 11:50 am

@Falcon - I am having the same concerns with A4V, I don’t want to go down the rabbit hole and end up in the wrong place. Gravity works, man, and it’s hard to climb back up if you fall into the wrong hole! It’s been several weeks since you last posted, have you had any luck since then with your search?

@KevinG - Same here; I need help connecting the dots. I understand the claims being made about A4V, I just can’t find evidence supporting the actual link. (Even people who have gone through the process can’t demonstrate the connection between by BC and an actual fund!)

@Neorobo - I’m really concerned that I see so many different methods being advocated, and everyone says everyone else is wrong. How the heck do I figure out which method to use? Have you taken control of your strawman yet? I’d love to talk to someone who did this successfully and has had no problems.

In general re: the red number on the back of SS cards - My first card had no numbers on the back. My second card has red numbers on the back; I tried the Fidelity lookup thing and there were NO records corresponding to the number. Only by dropping the letter and my birth year and using just the first three digits of the number (extremely short string and therefore not meaningful) did I get any response, and that was just a general mutual fund established by Fidelity - eight years after I was born. This fund is not linked to the actual number on the back of my SS card, it is not linked to me, the dates don’t even match up.

I’m combing the ‘net for evidence, birth certificate and SS card in hand, and coming up short. I’ve listened to Winston Shrout, Johnny Liberty, Robert Menard, Zeitgeist, and a host of others. Lots of people making claims, nobody giving evidence. Anybody have suggestions? I’m still digging but yet to find the treasure chest.

84 Rob 06.03.10 at 6:29 pm

Below are some links to evidence, validity, and proof that the Government ADMITS your ability to claim money through your strawman!

Link IRS publication admitting the facts! (will open as a .pdf)
Link How a contract is made (as it pertains to the necessary memorandum).
Link US Code establishing Treasury Direct Account (specifically, 31 CFR § 357.20)
Link Sixth Circuit Court states sight drafts exist!

To summarize for anyone that doesn’t want to do the reading, those links show that what they admit is that it’s fraudulent, illegal, unethical, uneducated, misinformed, and that there are penalties for trying. Not a single person who has posted will have any way of verifying that this scam is legit. Not one of you. Falcon and Neorobo, I can’t tell if you actually believe what you’re saying, or just a really persistent con artists hoping that someone, anyone, will fall for this.

To everyone else: If you are so in debt that you will resort to trying this scheme, file bankruptcy. Your debts can be legally remedied, and you won’t have to worry about prison, fines, fees, or judgments. Yeah, bankruptcy is a bad thing, but c’mon… it’s far less of a bad thing than receiving fines that’ll probably force you into it anyway (at a minimum!). Having your name typed in upper case on some documents used by state and federal governments doesn’t make you a slave, you aren’t owned by America, and America isn’t a corporation.

I find it funny that Neorobo refutes Falcon’s claims and brings up contracts. There are more than four elements, and a component of what Neorobo lists as “competent parties” (capacity) is infancy; infancy prohibits a valid contract. And infancy would be a pretty good claim to invalidate a contract if it was formed at birth. Good news, cause that means you aren’t a slave, but the government doesn’t owe you $1 million, sorry. Additionally, a birth certificate is in no way a security or negotiable instrument, and that can be pretty clearly understood from 18 USC §Sec. 514. That’s the section on fictitious obligations…

I’m as frustrated and upset with the bureaucracy, litigation, waste, and corruption present in the government as anyone. But there’s no secret way of claiming money the government took out on you as credit. And there’s no new way or secret method that negates the obligation to pay taxes. There are plenty of other legitimate ways to get free money from the government, I promise.

If you’re really in doubt and want to believe this works (like I hoped upon first hearing about this, four years ago), read case law on the subject, because eventually it’ll come down to what you can prove in court. Partially cause a) that’s where you’ll end up; and b) previous case law almost always governs the outcome of a trial. Chances are that if other people are getting prosecuted, fined, and imprisoned, you would too.

85 louis 08.01.10 at 7:04 pm

I wish to know what the numbers on the BACK of the social security card mean.
The numbers in red which start with a letter.
The ones in the front are totally irrelevant and mean nothing.

86 captainmagazine@yahoo.com 09.11.10 at 9:13 pm

If I add up all 9 numbers of my social security card, the total comes out to the last two digits of my date of birth, in this case, 51, for 1951.

What are the odds of this happening?

Please reply.

87 Shannon 07.31.12 at 12:27 pm

ChelC, I went to your link and followed the instructions for both my card and my daughters. There was no information returned.

And I am also curious about the guy who said he had 2 replacements and both cards had different numbers on the back. How is that possible if it is a bank account in your name. Would the numbers not be the same?

Just curious

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